Navy Nukes

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Comment by jeremy mcelroy on February 5, 2014 at 1:10pm

@ Brian How am I a disgruntled Vet? I am still in the Navy, and yes when I get out will leave with an Honarable Discharge.

@ Michael My feelings and attitude do not have to infect any sailors. Most sailors, especially those in the nuke program have the same feelings. Your child will not tell you so but many days go by when he hates being in the Navy. Actually I am "pulling" shore duty because that is how the military works. You do sea duty and then shore duty, I actually did 7 years of straight sea duty whereas the sea tour requirement is only 54 months for nukes.

 

@ Grant I was on one boat for 7 years. Definitely not just a commonplace on my boat. I know and knew many people who served on other boats than just mine and yes it was commonplace there as well. I know people on the surface side of the nuke community and yes it is commonplace there as well.

 

Sorry to hurt peoples feelings who think their children are in a straight arrow by the books organization and think their kids would never succomb to performing these actions. There are many things that happen in the Navy that stay hidden, you more than likely will not hear about them from your kids.

Comment by Brian E. Moore on February 5, 2014 at 12:44pm

It sounds that Mr. jeremy mcelroy is a disgruntle Vet. Just curious sir, but did you leave with an Honorable Discharge? You sound to be a very angry person. I feel sorry for ya.

Comment by Grant Miller on February 5, 2014 at 12:22pm

How many boats have you served on? Is it possible this was more commonplace your particular boat and maybe not fleetwide?-if you served on only one. Again, not judging, just asking.

Comment by Michael E. on February 5, 2014 at 12:19pm

I saw on your profile that you are getting out of the Navy in two years.  I can only hope that your feelings and attitudes do not infect more sailors before you leave. I have two sons in the Navy one a HT1 and another an MMN2 and neither one has ever indicated by  word or deed any of the issues you are talking about.  You may have served on a nuclear sub but you really shouldn't have been allowed back on board and perhaps that is why you are pulling shore duty.

Comment by Gary Brophy on February 5, 2014 at 12:18pm

While I can’t say anything about the Navy, as an Army SSG I used to help my soldiers with testing by supplying study guides that may have had anywhere from 100-200 questions and I may even have let them know what some of the topics were in the last board I sat on. Heck, we had a running book that people added to after each board. When I left it was about 600 pages long. I saw that as no more than what a Teacher would do for their student in any school. Some may say what I /we did was cheating but I didn't give them a specific list of questions or topics. They still had to study and they still had to know their jobs. With 5-6 people on the board you never knew exactly what you would be asked.

Comment by jeremy mcelroy on February 5, 2014 at 12:17pm

Absolutely most people can pass the exams without cheating and many of them do. A lot of the cheating seen comes from newer personnel on the boat who are made to take these exams over topics they dont yet have any clue about. So instead of failing and having to retake them they just make sure they pass it.

Other times as I said tests become redundant and people just get tired of it. There are times when you are taking a different exam every week. People rather just get past the exam as quickly as possible and go about other things.

My whole 7 years on the boat I only came across less than a handful of nukes who you know not once would cheat in some form on an exam of any kind

Comment by jeremy mcelroy on February 5, 2014 at 12:11pm

Yes I am and still currently in, shore duty noy really in a nuclear role right now though. Spent 7 years on my boat. There was no reason to tell anyone about it. Those people are called buddy fckers on the boat and don't tend to lead a very nice life if labeled as such.

Cheating on an exam in no way constitutes an inability for a person to do their job. If a person showed an inability to actually perform their job then they would be dealt with accordingly. Many people on the boat our amazing at their job however the constant examinations over and over again and the nitpicking that comes with them for all the little details they want lead people to just doing what it takes to get past the exam and move on to actually doing work

Comment by Grant Miller on February 5, 2014 at 12:11pm

If they truly know their jobs, then why do they need to cheat to pass the exams? Are the exams much more stringent than is necessary for high competence in a sensitive area like nuclear reactors? I'm not judging, just asking as a noobie.
Is Adm. Rickover turning over in his grave?

Comment by Michael E. on February 5, 2014 at 12:00pm

So you are saying that you are not now in the nuclear navy? That you were in for a period of time, and you saw some cheating going on? Were you if fact part of the nuclear department? If you were then you should have done some thing about the issue. If you were not then you only have hearsay knowledge.   I refuse to believe that there is a culture of skating by within the nuclear field. And, you keep saying my son like I would only be concerned about his well being in the Navy that is wrong. We should all be concerned about all of the sailors  

Comment by jeremy mcelroy on February 5, 2014 at 11:50am

Why would I let the chiefs know when they do it as well? Being given the answers to an exam or told what subjects will be on it in no way risks someone returning from an underway. If a person knows how to do their job then exams dont matter.

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